Armenia, Georgia. Vasya, Petya, Andryukha – everyone is here. Everything is swarming. Why are they…? They’re frightened. Lots of businesspeople …are just taking the money out. It’s a threat to national security. There’ll be no goods, services and so on. Who’s going to do all that? It’s all mine.

Listen to the new track here CHANNEL No.1 ABOUT MONEY AND BUSINESS – Today I suggest we talk about the Russian business that has left the country. You’ve said more than once that this is a good thing. Let’s discuss why it’s a good thing later,

But let’s start with the question: how big do you think the scale of this exodus of business from Russia is? – For now, I’ll talk about the scale. Here’s the thing: everywhere I go now – Thailand, Dubai, Indonesia, and actually London, Germany, and Cyprus –

There’re a lot of Russian-speaking people everywhere. And among all these people, this diversity of people, people are different, there are a lot of businesspeople. A lot of businesspeople and entrepreneurs who found it uncomfortable to work from Russia all over the world had to relocate

To Dubai, to Türkiye, Thailand, Indonesia, some relocated to America, and so on. This is purely an infrastructural aspect, that’s the first thing. Well, those who left for fear of some things, I don’t know, they were local businesspeople before,

But only in one country, for example working in Russia, and now that they moved to Dubai, for example. What opportunities have they got for work? They suddenly became international businesses, that is, if they are not some pathetic suckers, they now have business everywhere, all over the world.

– Why did entrepreneurs have to leave Russia? – The first and most important thing, and I have already started talking about this, is businesses that originally focused on Western countries, the ones that have now become unfriendly. These entrepreneurs and businesspeople have faced the inability

To continue these businesses while staying in Russia, because payments don’t get through, flights are troubled, and so on, and this whole cancellation thing – in short, there’re lots of these factors. This is why of course entrepreneurs and businesspeople have had to relocate

In order to keep their jobs, that’s one, and second, to keep their supply chains running, logistics, commodity chains and so on. Would you like them to give up everything and shut down the companies they had been building for 30 years?

Would you want them to depend on the budget? Pensioners already don’t have enough money, they get a pittance, and you would like these entrepreneurs to be on the budget? I make this argument to people who say, “Why are they…?” Just because, dammit. Because if you

Had been building a business for 30 years, for example, and you’ve succeeded in it, of course you’d be looking for ways to save jobs, to save processes, and so on. So that’s the first group of entrepreneurs and businesspeople – I call them

Responsible entrepreneurs and businesspeople. The second group are people who are frightened. I have dozens of comrades in whose families, just imagine, the wife, or grandmother, or mother becomes panic-stricken: a person is haunted by mental attacks and seizures, and there is such a microclimate

That either tomorrow an insane asylum awaits, or something must be changed. This is the second group of entrepreneurs and businesspeople who left because of this kind of psychosis. First of all, some of them have had an international business, which means they belong to the first group

I told you about, and most of those from the second group who left, they have no international business. So what did they do? They left managers in Russia. That is, they sort of gave control over the business to people who are here

Or stay in control over that business and come from time to time and see if things are going well or do it remotely, and now they’re trying to become international entrepreneurs. In that group, I don’t see a high percentage of successful cases. Whoever hasn’t done

Entrepreneurial projects on an international scale before, you know, no newcomers are welcome there. Competition, rivalry and so on – it’s not going to be easy. There’s a third group of entrepreneurs and businesspeople who are ideologically dissenting. They decide that that’s it, and they leave for good,

Usually making radical statements about what’s going on. And these radical statements are a kind of burning bridges, so that God forbid someone doesn’t change their mind, and here you can’t change your mind, because the bridges are burned. These are the groups that exist, and now you can

Also distinguish them, by the way, observe them and let me know in the comments on what you have noticed. – Let’s talk a little bit about where they have gone and what the main directions of relocation of Russian business are now. – Yes, there’re two main destinations: Türkiye

And the Arab Emirates. And I’ll tell you a little bit why these two directions are so popular. Türkiye historically has quite a lot of business ties with Russia, and it’s also quite close. Many Russians, by the way, have bought real estate in Türkiye and so on,

Someone is even buying it now. Türkiye also has a lot of cons: the rules are changing all the time, the lira is always having a huge inflation rate. The Arab Emirates offer tax preferences and so on, it’s a big transit hub,

A huge transit hub. When I go there, I have the feeling that everyone is here: Vasya, Petya, Andryukha, everyone is here, they all walk around the same square and so on. It gives me the feeling of a bazaar: a lot of people, and wherever you go,

Everything is swarming, the Burj Khalifa and all that, where are you going, folks? However, I do want to point out that, for example, the Arab Emirates are now imposing taxes, all of this of course will happen: since people have arrived,

We have to give them a proper wallet-cut. In general, the main beneficiaries of all this current migration from Russia in terms of population, except for the CIS countries, are of course the Arab Emirates and Türkiye. – Indeed, many people have left not only for the Arab Emirates

And Türkiye, but also for the countries of the former Soviet Union. How correct do you think this step for business is in general? – I’m actually shocked. If they used to talk about sunny Uzbekistan and everyone would left for Russia,

Do you know how many Russians are in Uzbekistan now? The rivers have been reversed. The rivers couldn’t be reversed, but migration flows have. And now you come to Uzbekistan, and there’re so many guys from Russia there. So that’s how it is. This is no joke, folks:

It’s cool to live in Uzbekistan now, why not – watermelons, melons, what else, peaches. You know where I got my bank card from? An Uzbek bank. There you go, hocus-pocus, and I can pay with an Uzbek bank, but not with a Russian one, that’s it. Of course,

Armenia, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan – all these countries are now receiving a huge influx of people from Russia. For example, it was recently reported that Georgia’s GDP had grown by 10%. Why do you think that happened? Do you know how many people left Russia for Georgia? Hundreds of thousands,

With dough, with brains and so on. It’s clear that it ensures an influx, the economic power is growing – products, services, goods, taxes, and so on, – it’s clear that the economy keeps going up. I’m often asked if it’s a good decision to relocate e.g. to Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan

And so on. You know, a country makes no difference to business: if you run an international business, the most important thing is to have international ties, settlements and so on. So, is it possible to run an international business from Uzbekistan today? It is. That is, there are

Some secondary sanctions, etc., but if you do business e.g. in Uzbekistan and your main consumers are international companies, rather than Russian ones, international business with an office in Uzbekistan – why not? Imagine how dramatically things have changed. Just imagine, if I’d have been asked two years ago,

“Igor, what do you think of a company’s head office in Tashkent?” I’d have said, “Are you out of your mind? A head office in Uzbekistan? Are you idiots?” And now I’ll say it’s cool, that’s it. That’s how the setups have changed, so never say never.

– There’re entrepreneurs who have already had international businesses focusing on the Western countries that have become unfriendly. What in your experience is happening to them right now? What’s happening to their businesses? – Yeah, there’s a group of such people who have lived in Russia, they have some assets in Russia,

They used those assets to build factories in Europe; basically, these factories keep working, and nothing happens to them right now. Another question is that right now the capital flow from Russia to the West, to unfriendly countries is impossible, there’s a ban on the capital flow,

And therefore it’s impossible to maintain these plants, or to develop this business further, to invest further. So, these people just don’t develop that business. – You’ve said many times that the Russians should now turn their international business toward Asia.

Can you elaborate on the reasons for doing so? – Sure. If you keep living in Russia, you should choose business territories that are friendly, then it’ll be easier for you. For example, Indonesia, Thailand, the Arab world, and so on. The main question is what you bet on.

If you bet on entering the markets that will become the world’s most important ones in 10, 20, or 30 years, then you should make for Asia. That doesn’t mean that the entire economy of the world will move there – no, it absolutely does not, but for some entrepreneurs

And businesspeople this is a very powerful opportunity to get a foothold. It’s intuitively clear that in tight markets, where everything is full up, just try to start a new firm in some area there – the competition is hellish, while in Asia, where there are booming markets,

The very emergence of a new market – the market has emerged, but suppliers are not there yet – that’s the kind of environment. Asian markets are very similar to Russian ones in the beginning of this century, in the 2000s – there isn’t a goddamn thing.

Take Indonesia as an example: a few years ago, more or less healthy Internet connection appeared in its small towns, villages, and so on. Can you imagine how the Internet in booming in Indonesia? Bloggers, some online schools, online education and so on. A huge number of businesses are emerging

In Indonesia right now, and that’s why those bloggers-shmoggers who lost their earnings because of the ban on YouTube monetization and so on, move you’re a*s to Indonesia, pack your bags and go to Indonesia, or to Argentina or Brazil. Guys, the South American market

Is also at the start right now, that is, all that is going on right now in Indonesia or South America is like the early or mid-2000s in Russia. Go there. – Let’s talk about the mistakes entrepreneurs make while relocating. Are there any that you notice? – Well,

I don’t know if it’s a mistake, but there’re a lot of people who were forcedly driven from international business, but they suddenly had exponential growth. It turns out they underperformed before, they were kind of preparing for later international expansion,

And then it happened all of a sudden. Objectively, here’s what happened: if they had entered international business earlier, their business would have expanded earlier – that’s a real mistake. So, this cross-border transition, when you’re running a business, for example, in a small town, you’re really scared to go

And screw the regional center and build a monopoly, and then, getting into this regional center, you’re scared to go to the capital and harness all the regions, it does scare you. If you’d gone straight there and said, “I’m going to be a national champion there, indeed gradually,

But I won’t stop at any level, I won’t get stuck,” you’d have had a chance, you’d really have had a chance, but you hung on at the local level, then at the district level, then at the regional level, that’s it, your time is up, the time of your life is finite.

Once I came to Magnitogorsk and met with a fellow of mine who has the coolest car washes in Magnitogorsk. I was like, “You’re something else, man,” and he took me to those car washes saying, “Look at this.” I went to all the car washes and said, “Great car washes,

And when will you enter Chelyabinsk, Ufa?” Well, a chain, maybe some other businesses, and he said, “Nah, I prefer to be the king of car washes in Magnitogorsk.” I said, “I see.” And he does have money, he has everything, he has his body, mind and heart, he’s wonderful, he’s smart,

He’s dexterous, but he has stopped. Here’s the mistake – to stop, it’s a mistake. Second mistake: those who have left, they left the country but kind of stayed in Russia, that is, they kind of left, but it’s like nothing has changed for them:

They don’t integrate into the global environment or at least in the local environment of the country they arrived in. They live in separate groups, hanging out with Russian-speaking guys, they don’t assimilate and don’t do international business. This is a big mistake and a big nuisance,

Because they keep pumping money out of Russia – many have dividend or rental income here. Among those who I’ve just named in the second point, there’re people who have already started returning to Russia en masse having repeatedly experienced this shock –

The shock of the fact that you’re not waited for anywhere, that no one wants you, you’re an alien who came to take the bread from the children of those who’ve lived there for a long time. If you don’t fulfill a arch-helpful and very necessary function,

Get out of here, who the hell are you? And here’s a person, wandering around and not fitting in as a businessperson, as an entrepreneur, as an employee, etc, and yet disagreeing to wash cars or work for $2, or whatever the lowest paycheck is at some kind of diner,

Having lived through so much misery, comes to Russia like this. It’s like some kind of coating, which is left after this swirling, is coming off of them. If you want to try yourself in the international community, go ahead and do it, integrate immediately, learn languages,

Do business. In short, it requires not just leaving and taking your body somewhere, like the witless penguin timidly hides its plump body in crags, okay? The penguin went to the crags, hid there, and there it got screwed, that’s it. That’s how you feel. – What does Russia lose

From the fact that so many entrepreneurs have left it? – To start with, an enormous amount of worthy, strong, powerful entrepreneurs has been washed out. The entrepreneurial environment has weakened dramatically; if it has weakened, the power for the birth of new entrepreneurs is also weakening,

It’s a real blow, and it does feel. The second thing is that there’re so many strategic goods or services without which Russia is in danger. These goods or services could only been produced or created by those people who have left. It seems to everyone that car parts

Will come from somewhere, or aircraft parts will come from somewhere. Where would they come from? You either have to steal them from somewhere and bring them if there’s an embargo, or to produce, that is, to launch entirely new enterprises that don’t exist,

And in order to launch them, you have to buy machines which are also hard to bring in – you either have to steal them somewhere or bring them in through parallel imports. Who’s going to do all that? Imagine there’re a million products and services, a million items

Which Russia needs to merely maintain its sustainability now. If entrepreneurs aren’t there, there will be no goods, no services, and so on, and soon some accidents will be happening, and we won’t be able to stand against it because there’s no one to do it.

While I’ve heard very often that the security threat is the lack of, for example, nuclear weapons, a payment system, a central bank, I agree, but I don’t understand anything about it; now I’m telling you responsibly that one of the most powerful threats for national security

Is the lack of entrepreneurship – it’s just a cluster-f*ck – or the weakening of that environment. It’s a threat to national security. And the third thing, the one I like most of all – money; they’re just taking the money out, the money that could work

For us, for the country: their money could be spent on goods bought from other entrepreneurs, that is, the economy would grow, but they’re going somewhere else, and they take the dough away, that’s it, no dough, i.e. the economic, resource component is being washed out again.

– After that, it’s even scary to ask, but still: what good is in the withdrawal of Russian business from Russia? – When there’re so many opposites, I can’t really talk about any good stuff, but there are good things; I’ll stress, however, that good things don’t make up

For the bad things I’ve just said. The good I’m about to say is what gives me – me, you, us – an opportunity to get into converting these circumstances into survival and yet into transition to prosperity at the following stage. If you can handle with any a*shole, just a total a*shole,

With a complete, absolute screw-up, with complete hopelessness, if you don’t panic in such a situation, then all of a sudden you notice how many opportunities there are, and believe me, if I’ve seen it, noticed something, observed something, I’ll pull a hell of that string, I’ll pull it, I’ll unroll this ball,

I’ll definitely unroll it. And since everyone’s busy with some kind of panic and so on, there’s no competition, I’m pulling some more, I’m appropriating it all, I’m appropriating everything, it’s all mine. Now pay close attention. So, point one: Russian-speaking business, and my language proficiency

Isn’t some kind of advanced English, I just have a plain intermediate level, you know, I speak English at such an intermediate level, and now imagine how many Russians, or Russian-speaking guys are around the world. How cool it is to run an international business when you can speak

Your native, great and mighty language! You can hit with some swearing to the fullest, and you can run international business in your native language, the mighty and my favorite Russian language. That’s quite a catch, isn’t it? You don’t have to learn English. Number two, integration into international processes

And above all in the fast-growing Asian market, India, South American market is bigger than ever right now, and it’s a chance, and Russia, traditionally having the strongest ties with Europe, for example, is diminishing its ties with Europe temporarily for some 10 years, maybe 20 years, and Russia is shifting its attention

Toward the booming Asian markets, Latin American, Arabian markets and so on. At the same time, lots of people say, “What about high technology? They’re in Europe, in America,” etc. That’s true, but that’s the way it’s now, and the situation will change further by 2050 –

India, China, Asia, and so on. And now look, it’s very important: what I called out of the pluses is potential, and you should still be able to take advantage of it. In order to take advantage of it, we’ll need these very entrepreneurs from that very entrepreneurial environment,

Where things aren’t going so well. So, we should take advantage of that. We certainly can, and I’d like to wish that you’d succeed. So, let’s multiply good things together so that there’s no room left for anything bad. The new album RYBAKOV CODE Listen here

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